are those two solidly in the romney camp now to be thought of as swing states? >> maybe people on the panel would disagree, i certainly see it that way. i mean, there's no evidence that obama's in shouting distance in indiana. i think the best he's done in missouri in any poll was to be four or five points down. i mean, missouri is kind of interesting. if you look at that state, there are actual demographic shifts that seem to be making it more conservative over time which is quite unusual these days for states. i think most people see that razor-thin margin as getting much wider this year in the direction of the gop. >> one thing i'd say about that, people often point to wade county in north carolina as a kind of county that is becoming more liberal or democratic-leaning, but people come to wade county from somewhere else, so in general if they're coming from the northeastern united states, that could theoretically make a state like pennsylvania more competitive. now, that -- that could still be true even if pennsylvania still is overwhelmingly democratic, it c